and so i've recommended that we rethink how we educate physicians and how we incentivize our young doctors to go into primary care medicine. we've got to fix the problem of the number of primary care doctors, there's no question. >> but, stan -- megyn: but we haven't done it. we haven't done it with obamacare. >> are right. megyn: go ahead, dr. segal. >> you're absolutely correct. the law does not address that problem. >> not only that, stan -- >> it will exacerbate the problem because it will add lots more people seeking care now with technically an ability to pay for care. so we do have to rethink our physician specialtieses, and i believe -- >> stan, stan -- >> delivers care in terms of using alternative providers. megyn: okay. go ahead, doctor. >> i want to make a point on that. i like to say there's two doctor shortages, there's the one you're talking about, 160,000 doctors short by 2025 according to the associate of american medical colleges with obamacare, but then there's those of us who are dropping out of insurance because we can't handle all the paperwork, all the restrictions,